tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post7463752902635199346..comments2024-01-01T22:19:19.426-05:00Comments on ~ Psalm 104:24 ~: Need Help/Advice~*Michelle*~http://www.blogger.com/profile/12973255141669832129noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-77664461153212183232009-08-23T19:08:50.126-04:002009-08-23T19:08:50.126-04:00Hello!
I came over here from Kat’s at Art’s Chili...Hello!<br /><br />I came over here from Kat’s at Art’s Chili. I did not have time to read through all the comments, so I do not know if anyone has already left these scriptures.<br /><br />I think you did well to stand on the Bible to be truth, and that you are walking by faith, even though you do not have all the answers. The truth is if anyone <i>really</i> wants to know God and the answers to their question, they will go seek for those answers.<br /><br />Jeremiah 29:13<br /><b>And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart</b>.<br /><br />I believe that anyone who seeks God will find Him…God knows all hearts and whether or not each person really longs to know Him. <br /><br />Revelation 3:20<br />Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.<br /><br />The following scriptures say that people are <i>willingly ignorant</i>. It also says that God is not willing that <i>any</i> should perish.<br /><br />2 Peter 3:3-5 <br />Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, <br /><br />And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. <br /><br /><b>For this they willingly are ignorant of</b>, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:<br /><br /><br />2 Peter 3:9<br />The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, <b>not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance</b>.<br /><br />I am the same as you…I think of my best answers <i>afterwards</i>.<br /><br />♥HopeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-47463272122257550832009-08-23T17:11:02.662-04:002009-08-23T17:11:02.662-04:00I saw this when I came to leave a message. Unfort...I saw this when I came to leave a message. Unfortunately, I was running out the door and did not have time to reply.<br /><br />Bottom line is that again, I must disagree. I believe the teaching that Baptism is necessary for salvation is complete heresy. <br /><br />Number one let's look at the verse you quoted. It says he that does not believe shall be damned but not he that is not baptized shall be condemned. <br /><br />Second let us consider that Jesus refused Baptism to his cousin John. If Baptism were necessary for salvation, what kind of Savior would refuse it to his kin and one of his most ardent followers?<br /><br />Third, let us consider the old testament saints. There was no ordinance of Baptism prior to John. Are you implying that all those who gave their lives for the work of the Lord are denied Heaven? <br /><br />Fourth, let us consider the thief on the cross. Jesus assured him that because he believed he would be with Jesus himself in Heaven.<br /><br />Now, this man was not Baptized. So we are left with two alternatives. Either Jesus lied in which case, he is not the perfect sacrifice and no better than the rest of us...there for none of us are forgiven. Or, Baptism was not necessary for salvation.<br /><br /><br />Just some things to think about.<br /><br />KatKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214169887240603175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-24725618680968974782009-08-22T09:52:33.221-04:002009-08-22T09:52:33.221-04:00Hi, Michelle.
Please stop by my blog today to pic...Hi, Michelle.<br /><br />Please stop by my blog today to pick up an award I have for you.<br /><br />Hugs,<br /><br />KatKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214169887240603175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-11973678417441093062009-08-18T18:35:55.798-04:002009-08-18T18:35:55.798-04:00Absolutely. It's a remission of our sins and J...Absolutely. It's a remission of our sins and Jesus set the example for all of us by obedient to the commandment as stated in Mark 16:16:<br /><br />"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."<br /><br />Someone who doesn't believe isn't likely to get baptized. You have to have both for it to work.Karen M. Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972093977468313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-70459633050720170742009-08-18T11:31:59.481-04:002009-08-18T11:31:59.481-04:00Baptism is an outward sign of our remission of sin...Baptism is an outward sign of our remission of sins, it does not give us forgiveness. Only Jesus death on the cross and our acceptance of that gift can bring about our forgiveness.<br /><br />Jesus Baptism was to be an example for us and as a foreshadowing of his death, burial and resurrection to come.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214169887240603175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-58125346196761434062009-08-14T11:07:51.738-04:002009-08-14T11:07:51.738-04:00Chili Pepper, I agree that baptism is for a remiss...Chili Pepper, I agree that baptism is for a remission of our sins.<br /><br />Why was Jesus, being perfect, baptized?Karen M. Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972093977468313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-35847237359110578312009-08-13T22:45:56.439-04:002009-08-13T22:45:56.439-04:00That is a response that I have heard far too often...That is a response that I have heard far too often. It's right up there with my home schooling conversations that begin "what about socialization?<br /><br />People need to confront their own need for God before they are able to help other people. I am not saying that your friend is using the question as a smoke screen. But that type of questioning is getting in the way of her dealing with her own issues. <br /><br />We can only see God's plan for our lives when God turns the light on. The truth is that there are missionaries working in every corner of the world getting the message of Christ to every nation. The truth is the gospel was preached in Africa long before it was preached in America. The truth is that when people who care about others as much as your friend seems to become christians they often are given burdens for the very people they were concerned about.<br /><br />One thing you might tell your friend is the analogy of the oxygen mask. In an airplane when the mask comes down airplane passengers are urged to put their own mask on before putting their children's on. We may have a desire to help those less able than ourselves (our children) before we help ourselves. However if we don't get the Oxygen on ourselves first we put our children and our selves at risk. It's the same way with the what about the heathen questions. We may be genuiely concerned for the plight of those who have never heard of Jesus. But until we first are saved what do we possibly have to give of any use to them? <br /><br />I am excited about 3TTT in the fall. Send me an e-mail sometime so we can start talking about the transfer.Home School Dadhttp://dave-homeschooldad.blogspot.com/2009/08/letter-from-president.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-7762066544917248542009-08-13T18:36:13.105-04:002009-08-13T18:36:13.105-04:00Michelle,
The conversation that you stirred up is ...Michelle,<br />The conversation that you stirred up is absolutely wonderful. you know the only way we truly know what we really believe is to think about it, talk about it, and study it. <br />I lean toward witnessing by my own personal relationship with God. I speak what I believe and what I live and let God bring people to the Truth. Scripture pours through my mind when I am around unbelievers but I seldom us Scripture with them. Revealing the love of God and sharing it with others will demonstrate the heart of God to them, a love that they can not refuse.<br />I had someone ask me last week about all the people that lived and died before Jesus and what is their hope of salvation. My answer to them was, I do not have all the answers, but I do know this. God created every person on the face of this earth to love them. His desire is to be united with man through the Holy Spirit and walk with him eternally. Jesus is the redemption for all of mankind and God is no respecter of persons. It is God's desire that all men come to repentance and benefit from the works of their redeemer. So, somewhere, somehow every person has got to be given the opportunity to accept their gift of salvation. We are not God. We do not know everything! But we know that God has made a way for everyone and no one has been left out, otherwise, He would cease to be Love and cease to be God. Anyway, that is how I respond to those questions and somehow it does seem to help people see God's love without having to have all the answers. I think you are getting a lot of good advice here today. I hope it helps,<br />Christychristy rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04576305610780918375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-4125982974254501852009-08-13T15:07:43.106-04:002009-08-13T15:07:43.106-04:00One more thing, is that Baptism is shown all throu...One more thing, is that Baptism is shown all throughout the NT as the public confession of your sin, death to self and rebirth through Jesus. It was to be the step joining the believers to the church not their salvation.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214169887240603175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-9803686655340635172009-08-13T15:04:52.319-04:002009-08-13T15:04:52.319-04:00Joey,
Beautifully spoken.
Karen,
Born of water ...Joey,<br /><br />Beautifully spoken.<br /><br />Karen,<br /><br />Born of water refers to the physical birth and the water that comes forth at birth. Born of the spirit refers to the rebirth through acceptance of Jesus gift on the cross.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214169887240603175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-27691320691750849532009-08-13T12:26:54.824-04:002009-08-13T12:26:54.824-04:00When I'm witnessing to an unbeliever, I use ve...When I'm witnessing to an unbeliever, I use very little scripture. The least amount possible, maybe just John 3:16 along with my testimony. Why? Scriptures will not impress them nor change their unbeliefs.<br /><br />Instead, I always aim for the fences and try to hit a home run. Maybe, I would say something like this, "I don't know all of the answers, but I know that God is a good God, and I can prove that He is alive."<br /><br />She is now a deer in the headlights and is forced to ask the next question which will be something like this: "Sure! Right! Prove it to me now, okay?"<br /><br /><br />Openly pray for her, believing God will show up on the scene with words which will comfort her or with a way He can reveal Himself to her.<br /><br />Now, your thought is: what if God doesn't show up? Remember: it's His job to redeem, not yours. He wants to prove Himself big to unbelievers. So, just allow Him a chance to do this...and you will be surprised at what happens.LarryWhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08190342581240950015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-71780254371560730482009-08-13T12:22:06.795-04:002009-08-13T12:22:06.795-04:00Kathleen, thank you for addressing my questions, a...Kathleen, thank you for addressing my questions, and also for letting me know which version of the Bible you use. Makes things much easier! :-)<br /><br />Also, I really hope no one reading this thinks I'm being antagonistic! I just really enjoy learning what other people believe about things and seeing where it does/n't fit it with my beliefs.<br /><br />I'm curious about your thoughts on baptism. Jesus answered Nicodemus's question about being "born again" by saying in John 3:5, "...except a man be born of WATER and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."<br /><br />If baptism isn't necessary, then what is your take on being born of water?<br /><br />We believe that we must be baptized in water, just as Jesus was, as part of the process of accepting Christ as our Savior. We believe that EVERYONE has to be baptized in order for this to happen. Our practice of Baptisms for the Dead is simply that, a practice. We are not forcing the dead to do anything. We believe progression is eternal and those souls that didn't have the opportunity to learn or accept Christ here will have the chance while they are waiting for judgment (which we do not believe happens immediately after death). While waiting for judgment, they have the chance to learn and to accept Christ. They also have the chance to choose for themselves whether to accept the baptism that was done for them or not to. We aren't forcing it on them. Just giving them the option.<br /><br />This is such a fascinating conversation. Thank you so much, Michelle!Karen M. Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972093977468313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-5111955639368119372009-08-13T10:20:57.690-04:002009-08-13T10:20:57.690-04:00Where to start....so much to address...God is a je...Where to start....so much to address...God is a jealous God and He will not have any gods before him. He is the only One that died for His creation and rose again, the One that stands the test of time,and He is forever loving and graceful. As for the ones that have not heard the gospel, they shall receive a chance. The gospel is traveling now at the speed of light, reaching areas that have been uncharted. It's the denying of the gospel that your friend has a true problem with, not the message getting out there. There is no greater love story. I could through scriptures out there, but I am going to make you feel a little better by saying that you witnessed just like Jesus. he did not thumb through the Old Testement as He wlaked through town, He spoke from the heart as the words of old were threaded throughout the inside. Witness with through, but witness your way. As you do so with the main ingredient, compassion, you cannot go wrong. We plant the seeds, the Holy Spirit waters, and God brings the increase. I hope that this has helped a little :)Joeyhttp://joeydavis.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-16479952384515740622009-08-13T09:23:21.177-04:002009-08-13T09:23:21.177-04:00Michelle,
Another scripture that I should have me...Michelle,<br /><br />Another scripture that I should have mentioned was the verse in Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" This verse clearly shows that after death comes judgment...not a possibility of salvation after death.<br /><br />2 cor 6:2 "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."<br /><br />Again this verse no where implies that you can be saved later...NOW, meaning in this life.<br /><br />Another thought to ponder...If we can get saved by Baptism or by someone else being Baptized for us...what was the point of Jesus going to the cross?<br /><br />Why is there a judgement? Why a hell? <br /><br />Please don't take my word for it. Search it out for yourself. The Bible (I use KJV by the way) is very clear. God left no question unanswered. That is why His word is called that which is perfect. That is why He ceased to send prophets and appear in person to the world after the Bible was given. The answers are there...<br /><br />And one more thought...it is not about religion. Yes every religion does have their own interpretation...but there is only ONE right answer. Everyone can not be right.<br /><br />For Him,<br /><br />KatKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214169887240603175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-20110225341152140902009-08-13T08:42:24.598-04:002009-08-13T08:42:24.598-04:00I completely agree with SB and Paula. I'm so g...I completely agree with SB and Paula. I'm so grateful that we will only be judged on what is in our minds and in our hearts. Only He knows what we know and He isn't going to judge us for things that we never had the opportunity to learn. Because He loves us.<br /><br />And, Michelle, I got so caught up in the rest of the discussion that I completely forgot to say that I really admire your faith and your love for the Lord. And whether you knew the full answer to your friend's question or not, you were able to testify to the most important truth of all, that He loves his children. And I loved your response that, if you're wrong, what's really the big consequence of that? You're still living a good life. It's better than the alternative.Karen M. Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972093977468313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-90378527465582505852009-08-13T08:31:03.120-04:002009-08-13T08:31:03.120-04:00Woah....waking up to find so many replies....and c...Woah....waking up to find so many replies....and can't wait to dig deeper.<br /><br />Just off the top of my fuzzy head....a couple of things jumped out at me. <br /><br /> from Ellen....."It is only by his grace that he reveals himself to us and pulls us from our sin into glory. "<br /><br />love that <br /><br />and yes SharkBait.....thank you for what you said....much better than my description/references of the chocolate dessert......with this:<br /><br />"You can say "I don't completely know. But my faith is based on a personal relationship with a loving God who has never let me down, or given me reason to doubt him. He has shown me his love and faithfulness, and thus I have faith that he has a loving plan for all, even if he hasn't shared the details with me."<br /><br />What a testimony Paula! WOW! So true.....and yes....I am hoping and praying that I can be the best guide for her.....like my friend says, I do not claim to know it all or be perfect, but I do claim to love Jesus with all my heart and follow His Word.<br /><br />thanks again everyone....~*Michelle*~https://www.blogger.com/profile/12973255141669832129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-2265682979002421372009-08-13T08:14:46.487-04:002009-08-13T08:14:46.487-04:00Shark Bait I agree that we will only be judged acc...Shark Bait I agree that we will only be judged according to what we know. <br /><br />Why do I know this?<br /><br />I have an "across the path" neighbor, she is definitely not a Christian. She is loud and curses worse than any man I have ever known. In the morning I enjoy sitting on my front perch listening as God speaks...it's a beautiful thing!<br /><br />Anyway, one gorgeous morning as I was...perched with closed eyes, soaking up the praises being sung by His other creations. Suddenly it was like a loud sonic boom!!! <br /><br />She was using my Lord's name in the most dread-full-est of ways! I began to complain to my heavenly Father about the situation and telling Him what I wanted Him to do to make her shut up. Truthfully this Earthen Vessel wanted to go right over there and smack her dirty mouth or that God would. <br /><br />In the most gentliest way Father whispered a calm to me, His little offended daughter...forgive her.<br /><br />No way, Father it's your name!!!<br /><br />He said, Daughter if you say it, it is a sin. I am your Father and you know better. She knows me not. My Son asked Me to forgive you with these words, "Father forgive her for she knows not what she is doing." And I forgave...now say those words for her. <br /><br />And so I did and He faithfully has taken care of the situation. Rejoice in the LORD!!!<br /><br />Also What If...<br /><br />your friend is a-thirsting and a-hungering...<br /><br />she is seeking and in a way asking you to be her guide. As she may feel you will be more gentle than the strict male friend.<br /><br />However, It may just be satan testing you or it may be that this woman is seeking what earth cannot supply. She is seeking to be filled as only Jesus can! <br /><br />I will pray that God will help you to know whether this is "A TEST! ONLY A TEST!" (remember how they used to do that on the telly?) LOL or if God desires for you to lead her to Him. <br /><br />I will ask Father to give to her His Living Water and Bread of Life.<br /><br />Everything is Grace! Praise Jesus!!!<br />HIS PaulaPaulanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-45636528324621996482009-08-13T04:55:30.653-04:002009-08-13T04:55:30.653-04:00But, just for the record, my 2c worth on the issue...But, just for the record, my 2c worth on the issue:<br /><br />We are told that God will judge us in righteousness (Psalm 9 and 98 particularly). I am hoping that means we will be judged on what we knew, not what we were expected to know.<br /><br />James mentions that teachers will be judged more harshly because they know the law (James 3:1) and Jesus tells in parables that servants who know their masters will are judged more harshly than those who do not (Luke 12) While these do not refer to salvation, I believe it does show that we are judged according to our knowledge and understanding of what is required of us.<br /><br />Jesus speaks in Matthew and Luke about those of use being on the wrong side of the door looking in and seeing the Patriachs and prophets of the Old Testament. We don't know on what standard they were judged, who never knew Jesus, but God had a just "back-up plan" for them, presumably he has one for those who have never heard The Name of Jesus proclaimed.<br /><br /><-SB><Shark Baithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03409352595912571443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-83752300152377761892009-08-13T04:10:45.883-04:002009-08-13T04:10:45.883-04:00God did not call us all to be lawyers, but he did ...God did not call us all to be lawyers, but he did call us all to be witnesses. And don't you trust the witness in court more than the lawyer? The witness just tells what he saw and experienced, the lawyer tries to tell you what it means.<br /><br />If you are in this situation, or one where people ask you difficult questions like "How do you worship a God as he appears in the Old Testament" or "How can God allow..." There are two ways to respond.<br /><br />1. You can quote scriptures and arguments.<br />2. You can say "I don't completely know. But my faith is based on a <b>personal relationship</b> with a loving God who has never let me down, or given me reason to doubt him. He has shown me his love and faithfulness, and thus I have faith that he has a loving plan for all, even if he hasn't shared the details with me."<br />Then you can offer to find out the answer, or put them in touch with someone who <b>can</b> answer with scripture and history. <br /><br />There is nothing wrong with not understanding, our faith is based on a relationship, not a detailed set of rules and requirements.<br /><br /><-SB><Shark Baithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03409352595912571443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-49385225200042453242009-08-13T02:05:20.001-04:002009-08-13T02:05:20.001-04:00Sorry, I love a good discussion and I just had to ...Sorry, I love a good discussion and I just had to do a little more looking around at things. We use the King James version, and so I was wondering exactly how other versions translated 1 Corinthians 15. I'm sorry, Kathleen, but I don't see anywhere that this chapter is preaching against Baptisms for the Dead. It is preaching the principle of resurrection. The point of this chapter is that because Christ was resurrected, all of us will be too. <br /><br />I've read through the same chapter in the KJV, the NIT, the New American Standard Bible, and the Young's Literal Translation. For good measure, I also checked the French King Louis II version, too. I get the same message from every one of them. The main point of the chapter is that the resurrection is part of the plan.<br /><br />And as for vs 29, every version says some form of "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?"<br /><br />I would really like to see the verse that points out that this is a practice that Paul is preaching against because I genuinely, honestly cannot find it.Karen M. Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972093977468313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-28579376094383078122009-08-13T01:51:06.691-04:002009-08-13T01:51:06.691-04:00@ chili pepper: I don't personally call it a b...@ chili pepper: I don't personally call it a back up plan. I was simply using Michelle's own words in the context of my reply.<br /><br />There are many interpretations (and translations) of the Bible. In fact, EVERY denomination of Christianity has their own interpretations of some passage or another. I look forward to the day when it can all be sorted out once and for all.Karen M. Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06972093977468313631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-44324925336778367912009-08-13T00:45:48.799-04:002009-08-13T00:45:48.799-04:00Very interesting topic! This is another tough topi...Very interesting topic! This is another tough topic like why does God allow terrible suffering in some lives...<br /><br />My scripture would be Romans 1:18-25<br /><br />Verse 20 is pretty important - <br />"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."<br /><br />And verse 25 - <br />"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen."<br /><br />God has revealed himself to all mankind through his creation. Do we choose to worship the creator or the created? God doesn't need a back up. He is completely in control of the outcome and is completely justified in sending us all to hell. It is only by his grace that he reveals himself to us and pulls us from our sin into glory. <br /><br />Great conversation!<br /><br />Ellen<br />couchhound on HC boardsEllenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08479318037165220380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-80870873484737562442009-08-13T00:45:17.288-04:002009-08-13T00:45:17.288-04:00Just wanted to write a quick note and say I though...Just wanted to write a quick note and say I thought you did well with your friend. Situations such as that always cause me terrible anxiety. I hate conflict of any kind on one hand and then am always afraid I won't have the right words to say. Above all I think is to keep her your friend. I know your insides were shaking, as mine would have been! <br />I agree with Kat, in that there's nothing wrong with telling her you need time to look some things up!Becca~CapturingSimpleJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15269232073211009288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-78944548514136809372009-08-13T00:44:56.478-04:002009-08-13T00:44:56.478-04:00Very interesting topic! This is another tough topi...Very interesting topic! This is another tough topic like why does God allow terrible suffering in some lives...<br /><br />My scripture would be Romans 1:18-25<br /><br />Verse 20 is pretty important - <br />"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."<br /><br />And verse 25 - <br />"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen."<br /><br />God has revealed himself to all mankind through his creation. Do we choose to worship the creator or the created? God doesn't need a back up. He is completely in control of the outcome and is completely justified in sending us all to hell. It is only by his grace that he reveals himself to us and pulls us from our sin into glory. <br /><br />Great conversation!<br /><br />Ellen<br />couchhound on HC boardsEllenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08479318037165220380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-817241909677069838.post-13466103329751311192009-08-12T22:56:24.945-04:002009-08-12T22:56:24.945-04:00Michelle,
Sorry to go on but just a word of wisdo...Michelle,<br /><br />Sorry to go on but just a word of wisdom. Often verses are quoted out of context, like the one Karen is quoting. If you read that chapter in its entirety I believe you will see that it is saying that the act of Baptizing for the dead was WRONG. Not suggesting that we should do it. <br /><br />Look at all the wrong ideas in the book of Job for example. You can quote them. And they are scripture but if you take just one verse you could prove a lot of things about God but they would be wrong when taken in the context of the COMPLETE word of God. What the Bible itself calls "...that which is perfect." <br /><br />I hope that makes sense. It is very late now, I was running on four hours of sleep to begin with and my mind is racing.<br /><br />In His Love,<br /><br />KatKathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214169887240603175noreply@blogger.com